Legislature(2007 - 2008)BUTROVICH 205

03/07/2007 08:00 AM Senate SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION


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08:03:09 AM Start
08:12:50 AM SB31
09:19:11 AM Adjourn
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Overview: Truancy and Dropouts
= SB 31 TRUANCY
Heard & Held
                         SB  31-TRUANCY                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR STEVENS announced SB 31 to be up for consideration.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE, sponsor of SB 31,  said that children must stay in                                                               
school  to  be  prepared  for   life;  teenagers  can  have  poor                                                               
judgment, and  the intent of  the bill is  to provide a  tool for                                                               
parents to  deal with rebellious schoolchildren.  It also creates                                                               
an  opportunity  to  encourage   good  parenting.  He  said  that                                                               
nowadays school  truancy is commonplace  and parents  have little                                                               
power  over their  kids; neither  schools nor  parents can  force                                                               
children to  stay in school.  This has increased  juvenile crime.                                                               
SB 31  is modeled after a  law in Washington which  helps prevent                                                               
chronic  truants from  joining gangs  and hurting  themselves and                                                               
others.  It  gives  a  wide  range of  criteria  for  schools  to                                                               
determine  truancy, with  a graduated  disciplinary process  from                                                               
counseling to  juvenile detention.  The majority of  young people                                                               
respond  well to  counseling and  returns to  school; states  and                                                               
school  districts  that  treat truancy  aggressively  have  lower                                                               
rates of  juvenile crime. In  recent years there were  over 1,800                                                               
Alaskan  truancies yearly.  The  bill is  not inexpensive;  there                                                               
will  be   fiscal  impacts  on   various  departments,   but  the                                                               
preemptive  investment  will  pay  for itself  later  in  reduced                                                               
societal costs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:12:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS agreed that the  issue is enormously important, and                                                               
he  asked if  Senator  Bunde  was familiar  with  a form  showing                                                               
truancy by district.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE responded  that he was, and that  another aspect of                                                               
the  bill   is  defining  truancy,  because   definition  changes                                                               
throughout districts. He  added that some parents  choose to keep                                                               
their children out of school, which they are allowed to do.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS said  that  one of  his districts  is  not in  the                                                               
report,  and  commented  that  it   is  interesting  to  see  how                                                               
districts vary in terms of truancy numbers.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE said that the truancy trend is headed upward.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  said that  he is interested  to see  how different                                                               
districts will approach the truancy problem.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE said  that superintendents  across the  state have                                                               
asked for help on the  truancy issue, although they are reluctant                                                               
to accept  the financial cost.  He explained that  schools simply                                                               
will have  to report  the number of  unexcused absences  and when                                                               
they reach a  certain point action will be  taken, beginning with                                                               
a  student contract  and eventually  leading to  a civil  case if                                                               
necessary.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:18:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS said  that when he was a student,  people were much                                                               
more conscientious  about truancy; he then  asked for statistical                                                               
information on the truancy law in Washington.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE said  that while he did not have  factual data with                                                               
him, a Washington attorney told him  that the law solved about 50                                                               
percent of truancy problems in that state.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS commented  that even  smaller Alaskan  communities                                                               
have large-city problems like gang violence.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:20:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked what other states have similar truancy laws.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE replied  that he did not have  the information with                                                               
him.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  asked for the  cost of the  bill when it  would be                                                               
implemented.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE  replied that  the department  of law  could answer                                                               
the question best,  but that he is anticipating the  need of more                                                               
staff  for  dealing  with  juvenile  crime  and  the  cost  could                                                               
possible reach hundreds  of thousands of dollars;  he pointed out                                                               
that the  money saved by  early intervention would make  the cost                                                               
more than worth it.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:22:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS commented that he  understands necessary costs, but                                                               
that districts must do their job  as well and some people may see                                                               
the  bill as  shifting  the  burden of  education  away from  the                                                               
school system.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE  said that  not many  schools have  truant officers                                                               
anymore and  that in Washington  attorneys representing  youth on                                                               
truancy  cases were  working for  non-profits. He  explained that                                                               
the fiscal  note will remain at  zero until the real  cost of the                                                               
bill can be determined.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  added that  some districts  fine students  who miss  too much                                                               
class,  and  then related  a  personal  story about  truancy.  He                                                               
explained that  truancy is also frustrating  for teachers because                                                               
their students who  have missed class have to catch  up while the                                                               
others wait.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked  about the reaction to the  bill from schools                                                               
and superintendents.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE said  that  he's had  informal  comments from  his                                                               
districts regarding the need for action against truancy.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  OLSON  asked for  the  reaction  from  the ACLU  or  any                                                               
parental rights groups towards this type of law.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE said  that he  didn't know  of any,  but that  the                                                               
purpose of  the bill  is to strengthen  parental rights,  and not                                                               
undermine them.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  asked if  an offender  would technically  become a                                                               
ward of the state.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE replied that effectively, that is true.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:28:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  said that Alaska  has a very high  student dropout                                                               
rate, and asked if there is a connection between the two issues.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE replied  that  truancy can  lead  to dropping  out                                                               
because kids feel that they're too far behind in class.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS   commented  on  a  news   story  about  kidnapped                                                               
children,  and asked  for  comments on  truancy  related to  home                                                               
schooling.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BUNDE   said  that   home-schooled  children   would  be                                                               
effectively beyond  the law, and  that laws can't be  written for                                                               
the lowest common denominator.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He added that  the bill has generated a lot  of discussion across                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:32:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SONIA KERR,  representing herself, said that  she appreciates the                                                               
bill, and that she has worked  with disabled students for over 20                                                               
years  who  often  have poor  attendance  due  to  individualized                                                               
education programs or other issues.  She said that she would like                                                               
to see an amendment excepting such students from the bill.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  asked if  her concern  only regards  students with                                                               
disabilities.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KERR replied affirmatively.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:34:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TONY  NEWMAN,  Program  Officer  for  the  Division  of  Juvenile                                                               
Justice in the  Department of Health and  Social Services (DHSS),                                                               
said that  truancy is  associated with a  number of  problems and                                                               
failure in school leads to  criminal behavior. One of the reasons                                                               
the bill incites interest is because  it's a new way to deal with                                                               
truancy; it  sets up  a series  of steps that  may lead  to court                                                               
proceedings, which  means moving  truancy from a  locally managed                                                               
violation to  a formal court  adjudication. This would  result in                                                               
both technical  and philosophical challenges, because  truancy is                                                               
not  a criminal  offence but  a  status offence,  which means  it                                                               
can't be committed by an  adult. Such offenses shouldn't be dealt                                                               
with  by the  criminal system,  because the  violators will  come                                                               
into contact with  serious criminals when put  in detention. Such                                                               
detention can be ineffective and detrimental.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He explained that  Alaska receives federal funding  every year to                                                               
help limit  the contact status  offenders have with  juvenile and                                                               
adult  detention centers;  SB 31  would  jeopardize this  funding                                                               
because  it could  lead  to status  offenders  being housed  with                                                               
serious criminals.  He added that  at this point it  is difficult                                                               
to  know  what sort  of  staffing  resources  will be  needed  to                                                               
implement  the  bill.  Truancy program  coordinators  agree  that                                                               
several  dozen  youth   in  any  given  school   could  meet  the                                                               
definition;  however,  the  Washington   bill  resulted  in  more                                                               
preventative action  and fewer kids  reaching the court  stage of                                                               
punishment.  There's a  current  lack of  consistency in  truancy                                                               
reporting in the  state, and better understanding  of the truancy                                                               
problem is needed to determine the best plan of action.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:39:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS asked  how the  delinquency  statute is  currently                                                               
enforced.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. NEWMAN  said that  the juvenile  justice system  is initiated                                                               
for   criminal  acts,   and  truancy   doesn't  fall   into  this                                                               
definition.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS  said  that  the   juvenile  detention  system  is                                                               
included in the 4th step, which is court.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. NEWMAN concurred.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  asked if the  bill puts federal funding  to Alaska                                                               
in jeopardy.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NEWMAN  said that  $700,000  in  yearly federal  funding  is                                                               
received  by the  state because  Alaska  addresses four  mandates                                                               
including the  non-detention of status offenders  unless there is                                                               
a  valid  court  order  from  a judge.  In  Washington  kids  are                                                               
occasionally detained  for truancy and the  federal government is                                                               
concerned that  the state is  losing track  of the intent  of the                                                               
law.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked if Mr. Newman opposed the bill.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NEWMAN  said  that  the Division  of  Juvenile  Justice  has                                                               
concerns about the bill.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  OLSON asked  what the  department plans  on doing  about                                                               
truancy rates.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. NEWMAN  replied that the  department is aware of  the problem                                                               
and is discussing  solutions; many of the initial steps  in SB 31                                                               
are   positive,  but   the  department   takes  issue   with  the                                                               
criminalization.  He  mentioned  some  alternatives  for  truancy                                                               
prevention,  such  as  school social  workers,  breakfast  clubs,                                                               
public assistance, and driver's license revocations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  OLSON said  that  those  goals seem  to  be outside  the                                                               
Department of  Justice's realm  of expertise,  and he  thinks the                                                               
truancy program is worth the loss of federal funding.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. NEWMAN  restated that  the federal  office's concern  is that                                                               
chronic  offenders  will  be  coming   into  contact  with  truly                                                               
criminal  youths  and be  exposed  to  criminal thinking;  status                                                               
offenders should be managed separately.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:47:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  agreed that the  concern is valid, but  that maybe                                                               
the system is the problem and not the students themselves.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  commented that status crime  incarcerations should                                                               
be separated from  others, but in smaller  communities that could                                                               
be difficult.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:48:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PEGGY  COWEN,  Superintendent  for  the  Juneau  School  District                                                               
(JSD), said  that the  issue is  an important  one; the  JSD does                                                               
have a truancy tracking system  that's effective up to 80 percent                                                               
attendance improvement.  Districts should  be required to  have a                                                               
truancy program,  but discretion and judgment  are important, and                                                               
this bill may  be too hasty to  lock kids up. The bill  is also a                                                               
fiscal  issue for  the districts;  the  current truancy  tracking                                                               
system would  be overwhelmed with processing  documents and would                                                               
have less time for working with families and students.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She  then explained  some of  her recommendations  for the  bill,                                                               
including changing  the truancy  threshold and modifying  some of                                                               
the disciplinary steps. She added  that the definition of absence                                                               
should be  adjusted because some  students could show up  for one                                                               
class a day and not be considered truant.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS  said that  he  didn't  understand the  difference                                                               
between policies for truancy and drop outs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWEN said  that the district's truancy  tracker doesn't meet                                                               
with students  after age 16, when  they have the choice  to leave                                                               
school permanently;  also, the state  requires every  district to                                                               
have a threshold for administrative  drop, which is typically ten                                                               
days.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:57:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  commented that Indiana  has done  some interesting                                                               
things  to  prevent  students   dropping  out,  including  parent                                                               
contracts  and revocation  of driver's  licenses.  He added  that                                                               
Juneau truancies have increased greatly, and asked why.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWEN said that tracking has greatly improved.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked  if this bill will be making  a local issue a                                                               
statewide issue.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWEN  said that the  statement of the importance  of truancy                                                               
is a  good thing, but  that having regulations this  strict could                                                               
be put some districts and students in jeopardy.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:00:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  LESMANN,  Community Relations  Manager  for  the Office  of                                                               
Children's  Services  (OCS),  said  that  current  state  law  on                                                               
children in  need of aid  statutes does address  education; under                                                               
AS 47.10.014,  the definition of  child neglect  includes neglect                                                               
of education. The  OCS does receive calls  regarding truancy, but                                                               
he explained  that it's  mainly a different  issue from  what the                                                               
bill deals with.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He added that if  the laws are to be amended,  the OCS would like                                                               
to  see  it   made  clear  that  community   response  and  court                                                               
involvement  have been  tried  already before  a  court order  is                                                               
given to make the youth a ward of the state.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  asked if  the involvement of  the OCS  occurs when                                                               
the custody of the youth is given to the state.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LESMANN replied  that currently,  the OCS  is involved  when                                                               
there are  allegations of parental  neglect according to  law. If                                                               
the  allegation is  serious enough  to petition  the court  for a                                                               
change of  custody, the  OCS would  generally petition  for legal                                                               
but not physical custody of the youth.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:04:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIXIE  BANNER,   representing  herself,  said  that   95  percent                                                               
attendance should be  required to pass final  exams, and children                                                               
should not  have any rights until  they're 18 or until  they have                                                               
graduated.  She said  that parental  rights are  being diminished                                                               
continually,  and  offered  several  suggestions  for  increasing                                                               
them.    She  opined  that  laws  should  be  stricter,  and  she                                                               
shouldn't be responsible for her children's misdoings.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She  added that  truancy is  correctable in  the method  that the                                                               
bill proposes,  but the  bill needs to  be modified;  parents are                                                               
not taking enough responsibility for their children.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS thanked Ms. Banner for her comments.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BANNER  said that kids  should not be  allowed to do  as they                                                               
please,  and that  she is  not in  favor of  the bill  because it                                                               
needs to be improved. School  principals should also be consulted                                                               
about the bill.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:10:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PJ  FORD  SLACK,  Superintendent   for  the  Delta-Greely  School                                                               
District, thanked Senator  Bunde for the bill, and  said that the                                                               
school attendance policy in the  state needs to be changed; home-                                                               
schooling should be  more regulated as well. She  added that many                                                               
districts  don't have  truancy  trackers and  truant children  in                                                               
different districts may be being missed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  remarked that truancy  rates seem to  be improving                                                               
in Ms. Ford Slack's district.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. FORD  SLACK replied  that the  No Child  Left Behind  act has                                                               
changed truancy  definitions, and  that there are  still children                                                               
in her district who are under the radar.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:12:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAM STEWARD,  with the Kenai  Peninsula Borough  School District,                                                               
said  that  he  agrees  with Ms.  Cowen  regarding  truancy,  and                                                               
explained how the Kenai school  district has an elaborate truancy                                                               
tracking system.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS asked  for the  numbers  of truants  in the  Kenai                                                               
school district.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWARD replied that there  are about 11 truancy petitions in                                                               
the court each year.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS   said  that  Kenai  seems   to  involve  parental                                                               
involvement more than other districts, and asked for detail.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEWARD replied  that there  are  several ramifications  for                                                               
truancy, including  community service,  attendance of  classes by                                                               
parents, etc.; suspension is avoided.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:15:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE asked  if truancy prosecution is done  by courts in                                                               
Kenai.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWARD replied that the  district does prosecute through the                                                               
court, and  that the  resulting penalty  is a  $500 fine  for the                                                               
parent.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS  commented  that parents  attending  classes  with                                                               
their kids must be a very effective solution.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BUNDE said  that a very angry teenager  could cause fines                                                               
for  their parents  purposefully.  He added  that  taking away  a                                                               
Permanent Fund dividend check for  truancy is an issue he doesn't                                                               
want to address.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS said  that youths  losing their  driver's licenses                                                               
wouldn't  necessarily solve  the problem  either. He  thanked the                                                               
presenters, and, there  being no further business  to come before                                                               
the committee, adjourned the meeting at 9:19:11 AM.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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